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OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by owlowl on Oct 31, 2006, 10:38pm

Ha, here we go. Ancient semifinals: LoD (Pirx, Stev, OwlOwl) vs LAW (Monoha, Beastmaster, GADA)

Turn 11. Knowing that Pirx and Stev are very close on north west i am sending my mighty jags all other directions to spot and attempt to kill whoever it will be.




Turn21. What a mistake it was Everything is opposite then i expected. My jags find nothing but sea. so many turns passed and i only just managed to discover Beast's location.




Turn 27. Finally my small stack is approaching Beast's city. Spotted a turn before and being so late I don't really believe i can do something here. Next turn my stack evaporates into air.





Turn 40. While Pirx reports " Heavy fights here with the Celt" i try to catch up with others planting new cities. No hope we can do something here today.




Turn 64. well lets try this. Overestimating Mono's and GADA's grow potential i give up on growing and build my horseman stack hoping that will Stev's Mounted warriors we can still do something here. At this time we loose by 20 points. How i can do this? Beast seams to have eyes everywhere.




Turn 74. Here we are. My stack of 20 horseman and about the same Stev's stack prepare to hit Beast. But hey my mistake. Rushing too fast i hit him 1 turn too soon. Stev needs one turn more. No wonder then our stacks evaporate in the air within next 2 turns.



Shortly after this i realize that surprisingly I almost catch up with GADA on points and so does Stev with Mono. Only Pirx's gap to Beast is growing.We loose by 16 points and i still have some land to plant.

Turn 78. Go Owl go! I start building settlers like crazy. Barbs are busy too killing one of them without mercy. Tik tak tik tak Time is running out. 7 turns to go and we are loosing by just 10 points.




Turn 80. One settler more to plant. We loosing by just 5 with me gaining points with speed of light. Is it really true? We are going to win? At that time Pirx is under a heavy siege by Mono and Beast.



Turn 82. I am planting the last settlers. Mono and GADA are watching from their couraghs. Sorry guys u can do nothing now. Its 3 turn to go, Pirx under attack and we are loosing by tiny 2 points !



Turn 83. Another Pirx's city attacked by Beast. Still cant believe but we are winning by 1 point . 2 turns left.



Turn 84. I am like maniac counting the points a few times to finally shout: " Stev, Pirx, guys we WOOOOON" Stev answers: "Yuuuuuuupppiiiii". We have 4 point advantage and the game is over.
GG thanks ALL.



Hearing Mono's "good lack in the finals" i realize that we also might have won future or QC and are in THE FINALS.

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by avogadro on Oct 31, 2006, 10:45pm

Thanks for the run down made for entertaiing reading. Good job

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by evilair on Oct 31, 2006, 11:32pm

GJ with adapting

Appears the jags weren't much use to you in a few games

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by bonezzz on Nov 2, 2006, 8:00pm

Beasts eyes ARE everywhere... yes, he puts up a good sentry net, before building... to put someone more on the defensive and less growing, plucking off them sentrys is often, as it is here, more valuable then wasting an entire stack that just vanishes after all the turns wasted conjuring it up.

Teohuatican was a goldmine... it was right at a bottleneck into your peninsula... the early jags of yours going south east was an error in judgement if u ask me... send one to make sure nobody is back there.... send the rest to teohuatican and make that the hub of army while building east. aztecs killing is conjured from the fact that they are cheap, you can get an early GA, and horrendously outnumber ur early opponent who cant keep us without an early GA (beast). so u find beast, send a few around him to map it out... get GA, and make vet jags for 20 turns... i guarantee that u can knock out a jag a turn from almost any size 3 city (which all ur cities should be or will be by atleast half way thru your GA). then after your GA is over... you build an army of settlers to go east while ur disgusting numbers of jags goes to work on beast.

I know it sounds easier then it is... but, if you had the correct number of workers (1 1/2 for every city is a good approximate. 3 for 2 cities, 6 for 4, 9 for 6...ect ect.) you should have scored about 500-600.

Also, with your rear cities building spears that would take longer to complete then turns left in game, you should instead be building warriors, or put the cities on wealth.

But, mission accomplished, congrats on the comeback and thanx for the story... good reading.

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by rodrigom on Nov 2, 2006, 9:14pm

and mine ur bonus grass first...

all u needed was sentrie, no need for those vet archers/wars in ur cities.. no1 could double u, so u could focus all on stack/expansion.

btw, u should expand on ur whole land after ur first atks fails on beast... than latter u would be able to get a 40 horse stack and get more pts.

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by yilar on Nov 2, 2006, 11:03pm


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and mine ur bonus grass first... all u needed was sentrie, no need for those vet archers/wars in ur cities.. no1 could double u, so u could focus all on stack/expansion.

Errr, early ga means that mining bonus grass isnt exactly top priority. Also those units in the back help with happiness, thuse giving pts (not many, but in races like this everything counts).

The whole point of aztecs is to surprise your enemy. Otherwise the uu is quite wasted if he knows your near.

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by avogadro on Nov 2, 2006, 11:19pm

Yes and no. I am also an Aztec player who does not like the 2 city GA/rush game. This being said the Aztecs have great civ abilities. Aztecs is not always about the kill. If you are a "builder" then Aztecs are also good. To show your jags is often enough to have opponents "turtle up". You shows 3-4 jags on borders and make them disappear elsewhere will at the very least slow down your opponent if not make him stop growing all together. Who here would feel comfortable building away and making granaries when you see 3-4 jags at your borders turn 18? What do I mean? That the greatest asset of the the player is the intimidation factor. Tecs are the agricultural Zulu, the Inca with a decent U.

So many Aztec players rely on the jags. I see it different. What makes Inca so strong? It's UU? No way, too expensive. It is the Agri trait and the hope that there is a horse near bye.

I play Aztecs much the same. If you got a forest you can build a barracks while chopping a forest tile. When the chop is finished you can "pop" a grain. What does that mean? Well it means by the time you get to turn 5 you have a capital with a barracks and a granary. This city will grow every two turns!!! Anyone say workers!!! If someone is near by and I mean real near you can invest into the early kill, if you you cant outgrow him/her so that by the time you get GA you are ready to stomp the world. In my opinion Aztecs are not always about the early kill. They are about using "fright" to out grow/produce another. By showing your UU you limit them to 2-3 cities ad thus when GA falls about you, it can easily be a 7-8 town chariot upgrade game. No one can upgrade like Aztecs. You can go wheel or you can go cheap Iron upgrade. It's only rival militarily wise is Iroq with a quiet corner to develop in or Maya all alone and unpressed.

Play the early Jag rush too much and all you get is issues with gold/unit support. No the jag is not a killer, it is an intimidator. The killer is Zulu cause it is both non agri (which keeps yoru ciites from growing too quick and thus makes you make units) and also expansionist civ (you often get a Pop settler with Zulu because your cities are a bit smaller or slower growing.

I absolutely love the ladder, my only troubles in it lie in the fact that there is no time to think. Turns are fast, over in 90 turns so that instinct often leads the way.

How many games do we finish with 2-3 workers because we got wrapped up in a heavy war? It's not like we don't knwo we need 1.5-2 workers per town to have optimum production. How many times do we flood a map for score? It's not like we don't know that a standard map is best run with 12-13 cities. Emotions get the best of us. Adrenaline get the best of us. It's one of the things that makes Beasmaster so good. He is a cool cucumber. Ya gotta do something irrational to beat him. He knows that for every 4 offensive units you make he only needs 2 to defend. Leave him alone for 70 turns and he will hit you with 90 gallics. I know because I used to play this way before I got lazy And I aint one of those guys who study saves. I simply enjoy building. If I coudl i woudl build for 90 turns and only attack for a GA but that is another matter. simply that a good builder with enough workers can wastly outproduce a warmongerer. SImply math 7 good cities vs 3 good ones. & will win even if he showed "weak to military advisor. Becaue if war breaks out and push comes to shove then the numer of cities is too grand and shiel levels are too high to compete. Yes some days i get tired and need a kill. On those days I get 4-5 ciites up well developped and upgrade 40 horses for a fast kill. But my most rewarding games are the ones when you are alone for 60 turns, you get a GA and make incredible amounts of units (200 plus easily with right conditions). You kill all that come near you and steamroll one or two civs late in the game. $-5 city GA turn 45 is more efficient for a quick kill but by the time your GA is over you are losing incredible amounts of gold because your unit support is too high.

What am I getting at? This game is a game of emotions and that is what Aztecs do best. Create emotons in it's opponents. I mean c'mon If someone showed up with 20 warriors at your borders you wold laugh at them. You know they are 1 attack and 2archers/2spears/2warriors or 4 spears will stop any attack. No the fear is being double moved/pillaged by the freaky green dudes. So simply show them to your neighbor and enjoy the growth you can get from watching them "over protect".

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by sdn26 on Nov 3, 2006, 3:21am

well inca and tecs near celts.......how he gets iron ....ohh off course he is beast

l think the mistake that u did was not coordianate attak!!!
the tip in that case is easy: inca cut road and then came 15jugs that kill


About tecs l often take tecs and think that u must kill with tecs!!!!
Tecs is usually 1th choise becouse they can kill..do u want points?take summer ....well if u have no neighbour u can expand, tecs are good like another agri civ but u lost the power of UU. Zulu are better kill after 30t cause u cant destroy a stak of impy(u must wait that they attak, while u can attak without prob a stak of jags)but for the first 30t u must fear jags

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by rodrigom on Nov 3, 2006, 10:28am


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Errr, early ga means that mining bonus grass isnt exactly top priority.

well, he mined the suggar first than he built road and started to irrigate plains without having his GA...

And yea, u guys could have coordenated attack. Saw that u showed the MW stack before attack... So he could put all units on same city. If u show stack, u attack on diff cities, or one stack goes for pillage (like sdn said)

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by cmdishr on Nov 3, 2006, 11:05am

Its funny because the best course of action is something people dont normally want to do..attack. Hopefully you have found them right away, hopefully you can trigger a 1 or two city GA it also allows contact so that your military advisor can give you some insight as to what they are doing. It may backfire in that they had targeted someone else and now a combination of showing aggression and pissing them off has made you the "acquired" target

Archers are Jag killers, problem is if the jags come real quick you cant match their numbers by building archers right away, what I would normally do is build warriors until the city produces an archer a turn then switch. The other good reason for warriors instead of archers is if I have iron those warriors get upgraded..then watch the green feathers fly.

And check your adivsor...if you feel Jags are coming (advisor says they are strong) build warriors/archers until either he hits you or the advisor tells you hes avg or weak. If he isnt strong means he is using the "threat" as a diversion...put your sentries up and ignor him.

One rule I always had was if I got hit by a rush then I am going after him at all costs for the rest of the game, two reasons, one he obviously is weakend and two next game maybe he'll think it wise to rush someone else, Ive gotten burned recently by this strategy, Cton games someone always seems to stick their nose in your fight. they will wait around for the battle to happen then swoop in "Civ Vultures" will hit my city at the opposite end of the attack, kiss of death but it if he is going to work the "implied" double team aint much you can do anyway.

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by beastmaster on Nov 3, 2006, 1:24pm

Okay guys listen, the problem was, i moved my settler on hill before i plant cap. and bingo!!! i got iron in cap :P:P + good defense
2nd i got wheat and floodplains+ gems. i had 10 prod at cap before 1st "stack" of jags arrived. i had 2 vet archers + 3 spears in cap. no way to rush me in that game. and i got tons of gold from sumer what i needed to upgrade like 40 gallics in the whole game.
but no enough luck and they won being bit better this time. was a really fun game.
1st one i wasnt really sad about losin that.


gg gents.

666

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by draka on Nov 3, 2006, 4:12pm

nice story.

Tip: Use ur workers in groups

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by immortallord on Nov 5, 2006, 10:58am

imo workers fool! u have no roads to ur back city. u would been fracked if someone boated u bcz even if u saw them 3 move boats are faster then 2 move jag or 1 move spear...

immo

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by reptile2 on Nov 5, 2006, 2:38pm

Hmm yes, itīs tempting with aztecs to build barracks and jags very early and then you find yourself at turn 40 with 5 workers instead of 10-15. Teotihuacan would have been a perfect worker city with a granary, 2 irrigated floodplains and agri bonus (but well you won anyway ). I believe if cton had played in that game she would have had a good chance to kill him with her use of boats.

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by immortallord on Nov 8, 2006, 1:00am

plus owl, besides irrigating the plains, mine mine mine everything else.

immo

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by rodrigom on Nov 8, 2006, 9:57am

well, between irrigate plains and mine regular grass, rather irrigate plains...

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by avogadro on Nov 8, 2006, 11:03am

yup save 2 worker turns

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Re: OwlOwl's ancient story
Post by owlowl on Nov 8, 2006, 11:09pm

Yes we should have coordinated our attack better. it was not easy tho. I told Stev i can hit beast in 4 turns than took out his sentry and was spotted anyway by one lonely archer i did not expect. Then saw Stev coming and being so excited thought that this was that turn while it was 1 too soon. Stev was probably exited too much also and shown his stack not necessary.

Yes, Aztec plus Inca vs Celt in first 20 turns should do much more than we did. Well i guess it is always not so easy when u know that u play against better players.

Thx for all comments and suggestions.

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