Future without resources scenario...

[Yilar]

Yes I know that this is gonna sound like im betraying the vets who keep going on how future is all about hooking this and that resource, but i'm sick of getting res f**ked.

Also the idea of cton is ruled out with current resource lottery.

Changes made:
All units no longer require resources, the most updated unit is buildable from turn 1. Nukes still require manhatten.

All civs got all traits.

GA units removed. All wonders trigger ga.

Wonders changes:
pyramids: Increased price from 200->300
sun: Increased price from 200->250
sistine: Increased price from 200->250
shakespeare: gives ga and reduced to only give 3 happy people
Smith: Reduced price from 200->150
Hoover: Increased price from 300->400

Units:
Mech inf: reduced price from 55->50 and no longer draft unit, tow is the draft unit.
Tow: No longer foot unit, meaning no more chopper dropping this.
Tow: Reduced bombard strength from 8->2
Transport: Reduced price from 50->40
Submarine: Reduced price from 40->30
Destroyer: Reduced price from 60->50
Battleship: Reduced price from 100->90
Aegis: Reduced price from 80->70
Nuke Sub: Reduced price from 60->50
Cavalry/knight removed.

Worker actions:
Railsroads takes 2 turns to complete with fasc/com/demo/rep
Clearing jungle takes 3 turns with fasc and 4 turns with com/demo/rep
Clearing marsh takes 2 turns with fasc and 3 turns with com/demo/rep
Airfields no longer possible on mountains

Initial settler upgraded to a settler with 2 movement points that ignores all movement penalties.

Removed special commercial buildings.

Gave +1 unit support per town/city/metropolis to republic and democracy.

www.freewebs.com/yilar/newfuture1.90%2Dres%2Dnot%2Dneeded.biq

[jack]

nice one but...

in this way will be a build fest.

[Yilar]

Nah, you just have to adapt. Certain strategies will get better while others will get worse. I'm considering deleting tow bombard all together, as a bunch of drafted tows are very powerfull still.

[playerxxcc1]

think it would be jsut siting at home and bombing whoever come close, and quality of land would decide every game. think we all know how hard is to kill some1 with all res even though u got all res... almost impossible unless nooba or shit land (or surprise). anyway hooking and looking for res is the very essence iof future and take to that out... it just wouldnt be future anymore... but tahts my opinion

[Yilar]

How is that any different from what is happening already? You can still gang up with teammates to kill enemies, if anything it should make it a lot easier, since you will no longer be solely dependant on your teammates having res if the other guy has all res too.

Quality of land decides a lot in futures. The people with the good land can hook res faster than the people with bad land. It's not like you get bad land with lots of res closeby and good land with no res closeby. It's usually random, and it usually favors the people with good land (grass is usually beside the tundra).

As it is now any dumbass can get lucky and get oil or alum while you get nada. Bombing the defenseless is very challenging. This has nothing to do with skill if you ask me.

And don't give me the crap with the trading resources, because how does that make it any different from my scenario?

Future has nothing to do with resource hooking. It has everything to do with new units, new airplanes, new buildings, new boats and the new tactics spawning from those. Just because you take out hooking resource does not make it any less "future", cause you still got the features, but you take out one of the most unbalanced factors in the game, the resource lottery.

[rodrigom]

Every single game would go nuke

[playerxxcc1]

yilar said:

Future has nothing to do with resource hooking. It has everything to do with new units, new airplanes, new buildings, new boats and the new tactics spawning from those. Just because you take out hooking resource does not make it any less "future", cause you still got the features, but you take out one of the most unbalanced factors in the game, the resource lottery.

ummmm..... u serious???

i am off this debate

[jack]

rodrigom said:

Every single game would go nuke

you just need a good defense.. then grow + build and the game will go straight there..

maybe is better to prepare a brand new scen with new units, new resources. To make it more spectacular.

[jack]

..and by the way, i'd like to give it a try cause it may rule as well

[spike_knights]

I like it! No more 1.9 for me

[Assédix]

You should have posted this 1 day earlier Yilar

[BoNeHeD]

can someone get the "NO NUKES" version of the future mod...

[spike_knights]

It's as simple as removing hatten. I played an open the other night with "some open guy" that had 1.9 but removed hatten. I had iw cap and over 600 mfg in ga, sdi up then whoa where hatten at. Though gotta say I'm starting to hate nukes, it's a cheap way out of fighting

[rodrigom]

Without nukes it will be even more boring. Just build your ass off and deffend, like ancient. Except that in future you can get 3 times more cities, so it will be way harder to fight.

[nefarious]

have u ever played steel cage match....no cities just an army...last man standing.....LIVE A LITTLE...!