Interested in some hot PBEM lovin.

[whiplash]

Well, i think some attempts at "fairness" are needed. I don't like the idea of a 5 player FFA, especially with VP scoring. It will inevitably be a 3v2 or maybe a 2v2v1. The larger alliance will have even more of an advantage with VP scoring. If we are to remain 5 players, I'd rather do a cton.

[Onan]

Well, consider that with 6 players it'd likely be a 4v2, which is pretty much a 2v1. So 3v2 is actually some of the best odds available, if every game falls into that pattern. And also remember that playing VP allows the option of attempting to amass points through peaceful means--we could even consider a rule that if it does become a 2v2v1, then neither of the 2s are allowed to attack the 1. This would actually be an incentive for a player to remain unallied, in the military sense, while still remaining free to trade whatever techs they were able to.... Just throwing out ideas. Consider also that in a 3v2 the 'larger' alliance, in terms of land and resources, might actually be two large civs fighting vs. 3 medium sized ones.

And remember that each player will remain in it for themselves, as in their own points will determine their placement, not their total alliance's points. Which may make any alliance somewhat...unstable, depending on its members ambitions....

I have no interest in a cton, it defeats the entire purpose of playing the longer game and having diplomacy. If we must wait for a sixth player, can you guys do some recruiting amongst dependable PBEM players?

[Onan]

In the spirit of trying something different, I'll take England.

[SnowOwl]

avogadro said:

hehe nice try mr take only non ancient agri civ

Actually i didnt know that this is only no ancient agri civ. I can come up with something new.

We can try to recruit 6th player. I know that Bee4me is a big fun of pbems. He was supposed to come back from thailand in january. I will email him.

I agree with Onan that u cant make it 100% chess like game. There will be always some details to consider that way or another. Instead lets start playing based on what we agreed so far.

[Avogadro]

K if you all email me, I can make a folder in email.

Send
1-desired name
2-desired non agri civ (minus egypt and zulu) with name of leader (if you wish to change it)

ps-reports turn 80-135-175-220-game end?

[whiplash]

One more detail. Are we going to have a NO WAR UNTIL _____ ?

I suggest a very short period, maybe 25 turns just to prevent the 1v1 warrior win.

[Onan]

That's fine, Whip, that's very early and I like the idea of keeping the cheese rush out of this game. Of course, it's sure to raise the tension on turn 26, everyone being ladder players...

Reporting turns suggested by Avo are fine too...maybe just say if it happens to go beyond 220, report every 40 turns after that if there's anyone continuing. If a player's eliminated, do they just report again then? Oh, and don't freak out when you don't find me on the ladder--I'll rejoin to report when we get there, which is several months from now. If I join now it'll just lapse again.

Thanks, Owl, for checking with your friend to see if he wants in. And thanks Avo for setting up the game. Whip, if we get to the point where we're all ready to start and there's still only five of us, do you want to wait for a sixth or are you okay with starting with five (maybe with a rule or two as suggested above)? Five players will make the game a bit faster, and more likely to be played out to the end. Whatever works, I'm just asking.

Thought I had posted this, must have been in PBEM registry. Since I'm not currently on the ladder, here's my email: chapman AT hawaii DOT edu.

When we get real close we should do a summary of the game setup and rules as we've agreed to it so we're all on the same page before we start. There are turn-tracker tools out there, but I don't know if it's any better than just bookmarking this thread and agreeing to post here. Also, will it be continents? I don't think we've really picked a map yet. I think nothing bigger than standard. Small might be a bit tight, but it would also make it get interesting more quickly.

[Avogadro]

Pick #1 Onan has chosen England

[Onan]

Which may not be the smartest choice now that I've looked at how to earn VP again. Ah well, I'll stick with it.

Avo, if you are doing the customization of all those civ fields at the beginning, please change my request for 'Formal' from 'beloved' to 'Onania'. lol it doesn't work the way I thought it did. Glad I noticed.

[whiplash]

I picked India.

If we don't find a sixth soon I guess we go with five.

[rodrigom]

Just wondering, how many 6 players PBEM have u guys ended?

PBEMs are looong game. The less players you can get, the better. Trust me

[SnowOwl]

I picked China.

So far no response from Beer. I am ok to go with 5 or get 6th players or add AI. up to u but the sooner we start the better.


now it is Bonez's time to speak up and lets start rolling the ball

[Avogadro]

I will take russia

[Avogadro]

If the others dont post by tomorrow I'll start it 4 man...2AI.

Maybe we can get AI's to make other humans mad

[Avogadro]

Done

Avo/Whip/Owl/Onan plus 2ai's
220 turns, standard 60% random, VP scoring with start location value set to 0. Barbs normal, regent level, 5 billion.

Have fun

ps-I used ladder email addresses