Lag, Scraps and the Reality of Multiplayer Civ3

[rodrigom]

So there's not a rule for lag right?

[nealcain]

nightfalls said:

i don't care if i've got good land or bad land but once it starts to take 5 secs to move a unit in future and u try to reload it 4xs thats when i rather have a scrap.

to me i don't care bout reports. i just like good games. but once the lag starts to come into play its very hard to enjoy the game. also its very hard to make a good attack or defense when it takes 5 secs to move :/

i've scraped games when i've had cow wheat capt and big 6 within 6 of capt, but there are players out there that if they do have bad land or no resouses vs one with all 3 they cry and whine for a scrap. or they will drop and not show up in lobby for 15 to 25mins.

Well said ghost.

Nealcain

[Morgoth]

That's 2 players including an admin in favor of scraps. How is it you don't see that lag can be manufactured? Anyone wanting out of a game can now just download some tunes and the game will be scrapped. I think we're all in big trouble.

Morgoth

[rodrigom]

about quit... i played 2 games last night and on both of them some players just quit without a reason and never come back. none of them reported, but even if they did, i dont think a report is enough.

quitting games in ctons usually leads to scrap since it unbalance games.

and in teamers it's a headache to find a sub... can't there be penalty for them?

[Don K Hotay]

Scraps sometimes are absolutely necessary. There was a time when I was willing to devote a whole day to a game as long as it finished, but it's different now. You play this game for fun. The things that ruin this game are laggg and oos's, when it's too laggy and too many oos's you have to be reasonable and decide whether it's worthwhile to continue a game.

[Sly Time]

send in the nonreports and they will be put in penalty box for habitual nonreports

[rodrigom]

So tell me what can be done on this.

WE was reloading a game and some1 decided scrap game cuz didnt liked his land or whatever.

Then after I tell him he would have to report to all and since no1 else to start new game, he decided get back in game.

and all from the sundely in the nice reload, he started to lag rlly hard (never saw him lagging before) and game oos.

then he never showed up for reload.

then a admin supports him and tells me i'm the wrong one cuz i wanted him to report to every1 in game.

get a single report is all i can get from him? (yea i filled unreport)

[Morgoth]

OK Scrappers. Fine. We put 2 hours into a game and it has begun to lag. We try a couple reloads and it doesn't really help. Some want to play on but of course you have one or two that cry for a scrap. Eventually we're gonna give up cause of all the whining. Now the question, how come its not a call on points? I don't want to hear "I would've come back in points" or " I would've killed you". You invest a couple hours in a game and you want to quit? I feel the points should stand where they are. If you don't like it, PLAY ON. Please stop wasting my time.

[Warbud THE Wicked]

Hell yea!!! Well said Morg

[rodrigom]

civ is a laggy game, drops are common. its rare find games that do not need reload (unless those that bonez is in, since he's the man). whinners that arent likeing the game (cuz of land or whatever) starts to ask for scrap on first/2nd reload.

im wondering if any of those quitters(i consider scrap a game playable a way to quit a game without suffer any consequence) would play ironman. it's a reload fest, but i've got no news from any ironman that got scrapped.

*ps: filled unreport 2 days ago against that one on the game i posted 2 posts up, and all i got so far is the auto msg saying he would be mailed. wondering if i will get at least a report from that quitter.

[Bonez]

rodrigom said:

civ is a laggy game, drops are common. its rare find games that do not need reload (unless those that bonez is in, since he's the man).

I know... I have A drop 1 in 100 games... So I can't say I'm completely innocent. But all in all... the veterans around here don't drop much at all.... and the noobies need to learn how to make a reload a fast painless 1 minute thing.

[rodrigom]

reload in 1 min isn't hard. but if for some reason it takes 5 mins, it's no big deal.

btw, if u guys just readed morgoth post u would realize whats going on this days. games getting scrappeds cuz some people can't play with bad land. today there was a dude that didnt want to reload cuz he had korea and jungle start, so he already said scrap on first lag issues. we reload game anyway but since lag didnt stopped, he decided that game was scrapped. since others didnt want scrap, he started his own game and started blame me cuz i told him that he would have to report...

Im not sure when or how this started - i didnt worried about it since i never played future. but now its cmin to anc

[Shaun]

HEY guys lol, does this not closely resemble the RULE change i posted weeks ago? All i can say is that u elected PAC members so instead of making posts here which will unforunatly go unresolved PLZ forward you complaints to PAC and the Administration and mabey we can come up with a solution

[Bonez]

No it doesn't. Your post was about quitting and then suspending the quitters... this is about lagging, and scrapping. It is a fine line when a game MUST get scrapped. For the most part it is resolvable.... when someone is lagging, make everyone's life easier, let them drop with no reports (if early in game), if it happens late in game and wasn't there earlier (and this usually happens by someone losing oddly enuff) it should be an unwritten alliance from others in game to kill the lagger.

[rodrigom]

it should be an unwritten alliance from others in game to kill the lagger.

lol. who's the cheater again?