Future teamer rules

[Immortallord]

ain't life a bitch? so sad.

[jupiterspinning]

I voted for the strict enforcement of reports on ladder games.

Players should never have to ask for their reports. If you die early, find out which team won and act accordingly. Those who make a game of ducking out of obligation need to be reprimanded front and center.

Whatever the enrollment of ladder players is, there must be a code of honor that is respected and followed. This code of honor should demand good sportsmanship, the familiarity and enforcement of ladder rules, and informal attempts at recruiting more players to carry the torch.

Best wishes to those involved in making this vision a reality. I will be happy to rejoin ladder if ever future games become respectable again.


>>jupiterspinning...

[sussshie]

Um..my thoughts are fairly simple being really new to ladder and future games and hosting usually 3 futures a night. I just want to play w/ people who dont quit. Hemi is right almost all futures end in scrap and that is why I've been trying to host an open future for fun, and because 3 out of 4 of them almost go to the very end. Which is better than playing to turn 10 and having half of your team want to quit because they have no resources. Additionally, scraps are out of control. I dont even play as much as some of you do, and about fifty percent end in scraps. No one gets better w/ people Quitting all the time. I have been overly vocal w/ people who have decided to quit on the team I've been on. Many times I dont have another hour to get a game started or off the ground again, and just want to play what was dealt to me. Why is that such a problem?? So, many of the non-ladder players have signed up for ladder now w/ the exception of one that I know of that plays in the games that I host. All others are ladder....I dont think reporting will be an issue if its made clearly to all that they MUST report. So, that is my opinion.

[leaderjjb]

I vote for #2.

I skim read many of the posts but one of the posts IMO that I thought most worth while was Z's post. Reports are the currency, sort of, of the ladder. And if people just follow the ladder page games will be like or somewhat like when I first joined, NO one wanted to touch a guy with a bomb next to their name. This means people actually checked if this guy was ladder and a reporter. But now things seem to be care free taking the attituted "no one reports to me why should I report", I understand that thinking but isn't that how a vicious cycle starts. Everyone is giving everyone a reason to not report. So I like this decision, some may say alittle to late but better late than never. And I have seen this startings about 2 or 1.7 years back. But I was always talked down to like am the local idiot. But wouldn't disagree I am not the guy who puts things "politicaly correct" just hasn't ever been my thing I just feel all slimy and manipulative. (chills)

ALL AND ALL I LIKE THE START!

[Yilar]

If it was up to me, we wouldn't report at all
The ladder would just be a list of people who don't quit.

Maybe just remove the reports from teamers, that way I wouldn't have to report at all ;D

(naturally this is my personal opinion)

[jecyll]

i cant vote for this ,because its a non-issue.9/10of the futures are open.the league has no say over open games.just because there are eight ladder players cant mean it isnt an open game.
there are some ladder futures and you would exspect the host to see to these game.but these rules are already in effect.

[Avogadro]

Nothing wrong with open games, but don't file non report if it is an open game.

[secko]

voted option 1...sometimes i play 17 futures a day...scrap 15 of it...kinda pain in.....to report all that.......on the other hand i know its not cool to those who report and care about ranks.. anyway will go with majority when voting over

[Zardoz]

(Once again sticking my nose into someone else's business:)

1) If there are ANY non-ladder players in the game OR if you choose to make it a non-ladder game, then it is not a ladder game and y'all can play/scrap/quit/cheat to your heart's content. That idea doesn't appeal to me, but de gustibus non disputatum.

2) If the game is really scrapped, then there would be no reports, so there would not be "all that" to report. IF they were really scraps.

3) Is it possible that some of these "scraps" are due to people quitting or otherwise behaving badly because of bad land, bad luck or bad play? Wouldn't requiring those players (and their teammates!) to report their losses and the threat of their being boxed reduce those occurrences, either by modifying their behavior and the behavior of others or by removing them from your games entirely?

(Actually I guess it technically is my business, since I will be on the receiving end of many of these complaints.)

[Assédix]

I voted for reporting matches again (I guess it's what the ladder is about), but I feel a few additional comments are in order.

1) I stopped reporting matches myself when I noticed I was spending more time sending out reminder emails and filing non-reports than playing actual games of Civ. If reporting is going to be like that again (meaning: hardly anybody reporting without a reminder email or a non-report against them) I would rather officially abolish reporting altogether.

2) Not reporting did turn out to have some positive effects. For one, I noticed that the extreme fanaticism of the early days when future was becoming fashionable has become less - since absolutely nothing is at stake now. We have a lot less bickering over teams (e.g. people insisting on unbalanced teams in their favour), less insulting of people that make mistakes, and a much more positive attitude towards newbies. I hope that if we reintroduce reporting we can somehow keep this improved sportmanship.

Cheers, Assédix.

[generaljrb]

I have seen sportsmanship decline. If players have bad land, they quit, whine, dont come back to reloads, abuse their nooby teammates, and etc

Now if someone wants a report, just kindly put the link in the lobby and give the names that person owes a report to.
If we dont have reports, we will not be able to guage the size of the respectable player pool, and the amassing of more respectable players will be harder(noobs will not play games out without learning responcibility).

[BoNeHeD]

spell check 2/10...I whole concept of playing for a report is entirely based on honorable people fulfilling their responsibility to report losses. I opt to play hassle free games, as such, "Open Future" is my new preference. It does allow ease of starting games quicker and even scraping and restarting new games. Those who continue to quit are simply on my DnP list. My friends continue to play is all that matters. The new players who want to learn are allowed to play instead of being booted for fear of unbalancing teams.

[kaiber]

i like yilars ideal...why need reports...why does it matter? rank#1 isnt really better then rank#50 just means rank#1 got his reports faster then rank#50 and also lots of ancients dont report either so u should do a thread on ancient also

[thequeen]

If there are no reports then why NOT quit? 3 years ago people would talk about quitting and people would go then u better quit.. and he didnt quit.. now its .. im going to a new game.. people say u better report and they just say nobody cares about reports anymore..

[FunkyChicken]

I dont play ladder games in fact i dont even play civ any more, but if u are going to play future it should be a ladder game or at least state that it is a ladder game before anybody joins, at least if u state it if they dont report then its there own problem if they dont report. I know i dont get on civ any more but if i was still playing i would always state its a ladder game and if nobody reported then i would file a non report. Just my opinion and hello to everyone i am still alive:) just ish he he